tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11200164.post4938248368729388527..comments2007-07-31T10:25:17.685-04:00Nirav Thakerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07204297663478577248noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11200164.post-39755341798473612332007-07-31T10:25:00.000-04:002007-07-31T10:25:00.000-04:00nirav, insightful!<BR/><BR/>cheers,<BR/>eokyereeokyerehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08581319078698286013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11200164.post-37674084687691443322007-07-31T01:01:00.000-04:002007-07-31T01:01:00.000-04:00Excelent post Nirav. You're right, for creating a better & friendly work culture, we need the First environment.atulshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17731130593681006016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11200164.post-31259511247653269302007-07-26T10:57:00.000-04:002007-07-26T10:57:00.000-04:00gr8 post nirav.<BR/>u may love this <BR/>http://weblog.raganwald.com/2006/04/why-do-we-resist-idea-that-programming.htmlHirenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05034523548856197966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11200164.post-4195621880400823052007-07-17T00:00:00.000-04:002007-07-17T00:00:00.000-04:00I agree with Wille to some extent. Nirav, except in the place I am currently working in (which is not an Indian company and hence the US work culture being carried forward) I didn't find the Indian companies are influenced by US work culture. Manager has always been a king in Indian work culture (many Indian films too carry the same theme :) ). Moreover Indian companies hire managers (non-technical) from non-IT field too where there is stringent hierarchy. But it is not always the culture that has the effect it is also the generation to which workforce belongs. The current young generation is pretty much on the right track, I feel so.Vamsihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04447248592459194100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11200164.post-74731261705434814582007-07-16T10:49:00.000-04:002007-07-16T10:49:00.000-04:00being a developer maybe only considered low in India not else where in the world. maybe you should consider migrating to the west. just a thought.the_nerd_guyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07791955941095267023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11200164.post-72980730507430512002007-07-15T22:57:00.000-04:002007-07-15T22:57:00.000-04:00Hi, I believe that what really matters is to be a result driven person. Sometimes and it had happened to me in the past, developers tend to be evangelist, we cannot see that what really matters to a company it is to have the product working in the time it was supposed to. Now, after learning it, everything is so clear. I love to code, that's why i got into software but you have little way up in the ladder of big companies (at least in El Salvador third world-Latin American country) which is very different in the management environment. The only thing left for good coders or at least passionate ones is having your own company, but hence comes the situation where you start to worry more about your company surviving than that tiny and annoying performance draw back in your n line of code. Let's face it guys we are urge to learn to survive in the big companies and horrible as it might sound, you ought to start thinking like them. Wish there were an easier way to live life coding, but it might be harder to find than dealing with management morons<BR/><BR/>peaceLuis Ramirezhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06109302470620948844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11200164.post-53191106883461246372007-07-14T19:27:00.000-04:002007-07-14T19:27:00.000-04:00There will exist a world where Manager is the last one on the chain, and the coder is the one to make the real money for the value it really gives.<BR/>Then the Manager will switch back to coding, and remember how lovely it was: to create without fuss.<BR/><BR/>Keep thinking like this Nirav, I'm with you: maybe we should build a company and hire a couple of managers to handle annoying matters, and give them their few dollars for their real value.<BR/><BR/>:)Gabriele Bulfonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10043109754121565928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11200164.post-63807850807231898072007-07-14T14:30:00.000-04:002007-07-14T14:30:00.000-04:00I think the cause is that it is impossible to earn LOTS of money without moving to management. Because of this and the stereotype that everyone wants to be a millionaire, those who do not want to are considered too lazy/weak/geeky.Shooshpanchickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12538216650422293565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11200164.post-21266839053860365052007-07-14T11:49:00.000-04:002007-07-14T11:49:00.000-04:00Jesse,<BR/><BR/>Have courage man!Nirav Thakerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07204297663478577248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11200164.post-63902836944419279362007-07-14T11:40:00.000-04:002007-07-14T11:40:00.000-04:00Wille,<BR/><BR/>IMO, Indian IT industry is largely influenced by US itself. And you are right, Manager is the king mostly. Thought I've no idea of UK.<BR/><BR/>But you are lucky if your manager is technical, chances are that he might be promoted from a technical position say Architect.Nirav Thakerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07204297663478577248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11200164.post-89368996439444236002007-07-14T11:34:00.000-04:002007-07-14T11:34:00.000-04:00@Jerome<BR/>It's apparent, do I need to tell? Of course, First one is better. Successful deliveries and happy customer. Whereas in other, Its stretching deadlines and delayed releases.Nirav Thakerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07204297663478577248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11200164.post-83665078260169036462007-07-14T09:41:00.000-04:002007-07-14T09:41:00.000-04:00I think it is pretty much a cultural thing. India, where you live I presume, is probably influenced by the UK, which is a "manager is king" type of culture unfortunately. Probably due to UK technical education being extremely poor (I live there, and I am not impressed by my "competitors" for jobs..).<BR/><BR/>Other places, like some of the Scandinavian countries, and the US in particular, engineers are heros (just look at Silicon Valley!).<BR/><BR/>Also, working for large consultancies will always suck.. :)Willehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13793405539228512488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11200164.post-70257084967616688282007-07-13T23:43:00.000-04:002007-07-13T23:43:00.000-04:00What about the success of the projects ?<BR/>Is it better in the first environment or in the second ?Jerome (Sui-vie/Pharma-file) Adminhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14720088421052771187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11200164.post-9069133555338036002007-07-13T16:08:00.000-04:002007-07-13T16:08:00.000-04:00I couldn't <A HREF="http://www.codingthearchitecture.com/2007/05/15/you_dont_have_to_give_up_coding.html" REL="nofollow">agree</A> more. :-)Simon Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14028023748564720955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11200164.post-74013147196041862872007-07-13T14:10:00.000-04:002007-07-13T14:10:00.000-04:00In a world of software concerns - anyone who considers writing it would have to be either an incompetent moron or just severely misinformed....Or both<BR/><BR/>This kind of thing seems to thrive at big consulting contract type places - esp. government work. Get out if you can. :)Jesse Kuhnerthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01536406944822819349noreply@blogger.com